Aw, Wednesdays are my early days. At least the weather is nice. 57 and sunny yeasterday, and it’s supposed to be 60 and sunny today, too. The only problem is it brings out the riff-raff and fair-weather dog walkers at the leash-free area of the park. Not that Siggy isn’t always happy to sniff a new butt, but you never know how well everybody’s gonna play together. Oh well, beats working.
First! Uploaded last nights show to my site. Listen to last nights show here, http://web.mac.com/ofmen/iWeb/Site/Podcast/Podcast.html. It was a short show! Enjoy
i suppose i will edit this to say 2 now i go sleepy sleep!
hmmmmph fine be like that! oh well i guess i dont get to be first! ok well i am going to sleep later nick no more bareback with strangers man!:spank:
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Mornin’, :sheep:le.
OMG! (So to speak)
Rachel has Rick Scarborough, the “War On Christians” christo-fascist who was on ABC News last night, on her show today. This oughta be good.
Another example of right-wingers portraying themselves as VICTIMS, being PERSECUTED by the EVIL LIBERALS. Please. As far as I’m concerned, the real victims are the Christians who do good deeds, treat others with respect, and don’t try to force their beliefs down everyone else’s collective throat.
See, I can say nice things about religious people once in a while. Just not as a rule. 😆
Kick his unholy ass, Rachel! :spank:
Here’s a nifty article from NPR I heard in their daily podcast. This plant has an interesting name…coincidence? I think not! 🙂 Here’s to a little punny!:rofl2:
Ha! Great name!
i suppose rachael’s doing a public service letting us hear this wack-o’s, but I feel like puking and I haven’t even finished my coffee yet.
Morning blog meisters!
cafe marron… to create a seed so it could have a future.
and marc’s been talking about having children 🙂
farm news:
sheep dog herded goose, bit goose in chest, goose was bleeding & hurting, farmer put out hay for soft bed for said goose, left lights on all night so geese could see predators in the night. Said goose, Mathilda, is alive and eating this morning. Dog has been granted a reprieve.
Oh wow, I hope Rachel rips this guy a new one. :spank:
Morning Farmerkat! I imagine you must be counting the hours until Mr. FK gets back.
Welcome “home” Gaijinda! Hope that you enjoyed your trip back. Did you somehow feel like more of a “Gaijin” there than you do here?
ya can’t reason with these people.,..
this guy sounds like Lawton, only less reasonable :doh:
yep, tom, he’s en route as we speak!
How was YOUR trip gaijinda?
How come Rachel is so short on facts? The Dover school board I guess?? which was voted out by PEOPLE not by liberal judges because they wanted to teach intelligent design. I thought Rachel was smarter than this.
I think Rachel is approaching this interview wrong. She wants to change this guys mind or give him a piece of her mind.
How come Rachel is so short on facts
yes, as well as, she accepted the argument that liberals tried to take the christ out of christmas. :spank:
I wonder if this guy knows she’s gay.
How ’bout “Conservatism Abandons Children”
These guys should be ripped apart with plain cold facts on M$M. Not on left wing radio. Why give them a platform here :spank:.
Air America gets new home on radio dial in Valley
Useless trying to fight opinions & lies without being prepared with facts. 🙄 What a waste of radio time.
Wow, Rachel! With people like “Doctor” Rick Scarborough misleading the religious right we don’t need any outside enemies. We have our own taliban right here. And their leadership are such fearmongers as Scarborough, Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell and Keith Olbermann’s favorite meat puppet, “Ted Baxter.”
How great was last night’s “Weekly Remembrance”?
Is there something about baked goods that make for better comedy?
Sean, I’m not sure I want to now what your post #2.
DAMN….I wish I could listen live. It’s like the old days when Marc would keep up with the blog. But we are a ONE INCOME HOUSEHOLD now, and I’m the income. So I have to sleep to go to work to make money to keep a roof over our heads, while Mr. Brilliant is hard at work job hunting and washing down the kitchen walls so we can paint — in case we have to sell later this year and move. :tongue::roll::omg:
Have a good day all, and congrats to FK on Mr. KF coming home.
Mike Newcomb :fist:
Sheldon/Anita Drobny :fist:
A great victory, indeed!!
Phoenix, what a job you did :fist:
Hi everyone!! Here is a great little page that shows station signal strength by zip code….very interesting, but it doesnt explain why LIB gets static at night here…
How long was the show last night?
Ive got to go back and read….at least today is a bit less busy…
Yay KaT…Mr is on his way!!
Be sure to tell him that we are happy to have him back; not that it doesnt also make me feel better to know that someone with a voice knows the truth from being on the ground, regardless of how it is presented by big business media here….I am really looking forward to the books and information that will come out of that group over there.
Does he get to stay home for a chunk of time if things stay relatively stable in the world?
Imus just got censored because in some little film of kids w/ cancer on his ranch one of the horses had his weenie hanging out! NBC censored a horse weener!!
So Imus says that Animal Planet shows horse peni, and he wants people to call in and demand to see the horse Penis!
Youd think there wasnt a war going on or something….and I look at this because he someitmes has some good guests (cowed as they are, it beats Today in the morning TV area of life.)
Boy, I wish I had the money to start up a liberal radio station and keep it running regardless of income. Why isnt some billionaire doing this? Someone like Gates could easily do it but I think he must support the administration that allows him to outsource so many jobs, and save enough money on the backs of the American workers to become Time’s man of the year for giving money to Africa….
Wouldnt it make more sense to spread liberalism and educate people here so that the the whole country would reach out to humanitarian causes across the world?…that would be a longer term solution.
How is everyone feeling on this immigrant issue?
This guest worker thing is not a good plan, but what about the rest of it?
If we give tax breaks to corporations that outsource jobs, why wouldnt we give some sorta break to corporations who hire workers here for a living wage?…and why wouldnt we give a tax break to corporations who mightbe winning to sponser illegal immigrants, so they can become taxpayers.
…that was “willing” up there…
:omg:KPOJ cut out last night–or was it my cheap walkman?
You have a walkman that still works?? That must be some kind of antique! Maybe you should put it in a museum!:rofl2::omg:
ZNet | Israel/Palestine
One Sharon Goes Out, Another Comes In
by Adel Safty; March 28, 2006
Observers and political commentators have asserted that the Israeli election this week would bring a totally different political landscape: a maroccan-born leader for the labor party, a new political party, the Kadima, the former labor leader Shimon Peres defecting to join the Kadima party, and general apathy on the part of Israeli Arab voters.
This may be a new landscape for the Israelis, but for the Palestinians it promises to be more of the same: continued dispossession, collective punishment, the continued denial of Palestinian fundamental rights, and the bad faith inherent in proclaming commitment to peace while working to block its realisation.
This sorry state of affairs is clear from the positions of the respective leaders of the major parties contesting the election. The new labor leader, Amir Peretz, is campaiging on a platform of social welfare and economic prosperity, relegating peace and negotiations with the Palestinians to secondary preoccupations. In any case, historically the Labor record on settlements is worse that that of the Likud. . .
http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=10007§ionID=107
stupid buffalo aar station is streaming but you have to have winamp to stream retards!
how many people have winamp?
fuck them im not downloading more crap!
BLAST…Or, a brilliant idea (if I may say so) would be to go to a KPOJ advertiser’s restaurant and let them know why we’re there……….Anybody know of any? I know there’s a coffee place on NW 23rd, but they probably don’t have booze and probably aren’t open late. Or a restaurant close to the station…..we could leave some signs for them.
Posted by: sedition orgy at May 2, 2005 01:23 PM (EST)
I think you mean Anna Banana’s and I haven’t heard ads for them lately. And there’s no booze at Pied Cow, either. Actually, I was thinking a no booze place in honor of Marc being sober might be a good idea.
That wasn’t Hartmann’s house. Turns out he lives in SW. So it’s just as well I didn’t say anything.
:omg::rofl2:
:nixon:
Ultramontane
A Catholic who accepts the Pope’s authority in all matters, particularly dogma and doctrine.
:omg:
RJ Eskow
via HuffPo
Setting up your own Web radio station might be an idea.. It should be able to work over an existing DSL or cable modem lines from your house and requires only a fairly modern computer. The White Rose Society is promoting a couple of night time talkers using web only streaming. It seems to me if you do that you have the possibility of a much larger audience..
I don’t know what to do about the immigration issue.. Hartman seems to think that the state and local governments (given the lack of a plan on the part of the rethugs at the federal level) should seek out the people who knowingly employee them and fine them or send them to jail. The majority of the illegals seems to work in the agricultural, house building and food processing industries so I would think one would exempt the old lady hiring a house keeper.
Based on the demonstrations over the weekend I don’t think that attempting to send the illegals back would do anything except promote wide spread urban renewal.
A lot of the costs of agricultural products would go up as would the prices of new houses. I think someone needs to analyse how much since a lot of the cost of an apple,or a banana comes from transportation and warehousing.. not in the farm field. I beleve most of the costs in a new home are in the land and the materials not in the construction labor.
:yinyang: When will Marc have a stable show?!? When he does, THEN I’ll pay for podcasts. Air America has ‘fooled’ me too many times.
Hello?
Why is Marc on in the middle of the night in the first place. ??
know anything about these candidates?
Amy Klobuchar (MN)
Harold Ford Jr. (TN)
Re: Harold Ford, Jr.
Slow blog day. Spring fever, perhaps?
ck, busy getting ready for company/time off…didn’t realize I had such a disaster. :yuck:
thanks isi. what does a person do? don’t have much spare change, but you get pleas to help campaigns. Obama & Kerry sent out letters aksing for $$ before Fri. So there are these candidates who do not fully support a Democrat agenda, yet we have to get the repuks out. In TN, how liberal can a senator be, I wonder… so you save your pennies and watch us lose another election cycle…what is a good liberal to do ❓
Marc Mail:
:knit: Nice Marc Maron email-Yeah!
oops!
If you don’t have WinAmp, you’re missing out on all the Shoutcast stuff.
shoutcast?
FOR KEV:
Yep, Shoutcast. There’s something for pretty much everybody there. Music, comedy, talk, Old Time Radio, you name it. Plus you can even set up your own Shoutcast server, and create your own Internet radio station (like, say, Seditionist Radio).
ain’t this the sad truth
FK, I guess a democrat in name only is better than a republican. Because, just like Hagel and Collins when push comes to shove they always side with the republicans no matter if people call them moderates. It is a dilemma. And, I guess that is what you hope with a DINO, that he will side with the Democrats in the end. Although, it’s been hard lately to say what the democrats stand for.
#57, yes sad but true.
I’m thinking the democrats are suffering from the curse of Clinton. His main goal was to compromise. He loved it. Do you think the Democrats are still suffering from that way of doing business?
He loves us. He really, really loves us!
Yes, I agree the dems have typically been able to reach across the aisle. They have been slooooow to figure out that this group of rethugs has an agenda and they’ll push forward no matter what.
Seditionist Radio :bow:
kahn – :nod: :rofl2:
😉
A hypothetical match-up between Nelson and Gen. Tommy Franks, for instance, results in a statistical tie, and Gov. Jeb Bush (R-Fla.) would pummel Nelson by 15 percentage points, with only 9 percent of voters undecided. …
Comment by Farmerkat — March 29, 2006 @ 2:44 pm
Not sure where the Hill is getting their numbers. A poll I saw earlier this week had Nelson ahead of Jeb by about 8 points. It’s hypothetical, anyway, since Jeb says he isn’t running. Bushes never lie, right?
Actually, if Jeb eventually wants to seek higher office, he’d be better off to wait so as not to get so much of the Dubya/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove mess on himself. The rest of my life seems to me to be an appropriate length of time for him to wait.
:fu:
OK, now tell us about the rabbits, George.
D-uhhh, that sounds logical.
:doh:
do you really think he’d run? his own nuclear family has a lot of baggage, drug addicted kids, wife who was busted at Atlanta airport trying to not pay duty on 30K worth of goods… guess he’s got the bush crime family mentality of being perpetually dazed, but, ya think?
I hope he doesn’t run (and win), because he’s got a lot more brains than junior does, and supposedly an actual work ethic. Imagine how much dubya would have fucked this country up if he’d only had a brain, and the ambition to try harder. :omg:
Mike Malloy’s caricature of the Bushes and there friends as the “Bush Crime family” is closer than it might at first appear. If they were of Italian descent they would certainly be considered part of the MAFIA.
A lot of republicans relate to these people because they too make there living off the backs of the underclass. A look at the RNC membership looks like a who’s who of your DA’s questionable practices list.
Senior Shiite politicians said today that the American ambassador has told Shiite officials to inform the Iraqi prime minister that President Bush does not want him to remain the country’s leader in the next government.
Sounds like a case of tough shit to me.You mean “tough Shiite”–don’t you, Nicki?
Jeb has more brains than GW. Absolutely.:rofl2: And the bastard is far more aritculate. No. You don’t want Jeb to run for president.
Good one!:rofl2: I don’t know how I missed that. I listen to Janeane every day.
Tough Shite! :rofl2:
Good info (and comments) on the immigration issue on this blog. I agree with Scheer:there is no crisis. It is being used as a wedge issue to heat up the Republican’s klan base.
March 29, 2006
AWOL: Black Leaders and Immigration
Where are the Old Line Civil Rights Groups?
By EARL OFARI HUTCHINSON
The great irony in the gargantuan march of tens of thousands in Los Angeles and other cities for immigrant rights is that the old civil rights groups have been virtually mute on immigration and the marches. There are no position papers, statements, or press releases on the websites of the NAACP, Urban League, SCLC on immigration reform, and nothing on the marches. The Congressional Black Caucus hasn’t done much better. It has issued mostly perfunctory, tepid and cautious statements opposing the draconian provisions of the House bill that passed last December. The bill calls for a wall on the Southern border, a massive beef up in border security, and tough sanctions on employers that hire illegal aliens. The Senate Judiciary Committee will wrestle with the bill this week.
Only nine CBC members initially backed the relatively liberal immigration reform bill introduced by CBC member Sheila Lee Jackson in 2004. The lone exception to the old guard’s mute response was their lambaste of Mexican President Vicente Fox last May for his quip that Mexicans will work jobs that even blacks won’t.
The silence from mainstream civil rights groups and the CBC’s modest support for immigrant rights is a radical departure from the past. During the 1980s when immigration was not the hot button issue it is today, the Caucus in 1985 staunchly opposed tougher immigration proposals, voted against employer sanctions for hiring illegal immigrants, and an English language requirement to attain legalization. That was an easy call then. Those were the Reagan years, and Reagan and conservative Republicans, then as now, pushed the bill. Civil rights leaders and black Democrats waged low yield war against Reagan policies…
http://www.counterpunch.org
March 29, 2006
Did Monty Python Fan Dupe Laurie Mylroie?
Fake Saddam Interview Put Out By Israel Lobby Catspaw, Endorsed by Neo-Cons Pet Cassandra, Now Wiping Egg From Face
By CounterPunch News Service
[…]
Saddam is allegedly reacting to a taped message issued by his former vice president and loyalist ‘Izzat Al-Duri, who addressed the Arab League summit in Sudan.
Saddam Hussein: “All ‘Izzat Al-Duri ever wanted was to address the Iraqis as their leader, even if just for a few short minutes. Everybody remembers that he once addressed the Iraqi Women’s Union without my knowledge. Do you know what I did to him?”
Interviewer: “We don’t know. Tell us.”
[…]
Saddam Hussein: “The first thing I did when they brought him was to spit in his face.”
Interviewer: “Why?”
Saddam Hussein: “I said to him: ‘You despicable man, I spit on your owl’s face. How do you address these glorious women without me knowing about it?'”
[…]
“The only one who makes speeches in Iraq is the supreme leader – meaning me.
Interviewer: “You’re in prison. How can you give speeches?”
Saddam Hussein: “That’s a good question. You watch the court sessions. How many sessions have there been so far? Fifteen sessions?”
Interviewer: “Seventeen.”
Saddam Hussein: “I give a speech at every single session.”
[…]
“If I don’t give speeches, I get heartburn.
“I call to punish ‘Izzat Al-Duri, because he burned my heart.”
Interviewer: “Why, because he published a statement without your permission?”
Saddam Hussein: “He gave a speech without me knowing it. The punishment that I want for him is to cut off his tongue and ears.”
Interviewer: “Why cutting off his tongue and ears?”
Saddam Hussein: “To make him the same as all the renegades whose tongues and ears I cut off. And if ‘Izzat Al-Duri continues giving speeches in sign language, like the deaf do, I demand that his hands be cut off. And so on and so forth, until ‘Izzat Al-Duri is finished, and we get rid of this degenerate.”
[…]
:omg:
http://www.counterpunch.org/news03292006.html
Had the credulous Mylroie and editors at MEMRI TV been familiar with the 1975 movie Monty Python and the Holy Grail, they might have wondered about such choice lines attributed to Saddam Hussein as “You despicable man, I spit on your owl’s face.”
ARTHUR: If you will not show us the Grail, we shall take your castle by force!
FRENCH GUARD:You don’t frighten us, English pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottom, sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called Arthur King, you and all your silly English k-nnnnniggets. Thpppppt! Thppt! Thppt!
GALAHAD: What a strange person.
ARTHUR: Now look here, my good man–
FRENCH GUARD: I don’t wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
GALAHAD: Is there someone else up there we could talk to?
FRENCH GUARD: No. Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a second time-a!
[sniff]
ARTHUR: Now, this is your last chance. I’ve been more than reasonable.
FRENCH GUARD: (Fetchez la vache.)
OTHER FRENCH GUARD: Quoi?
FRENCH GUARD: (Fetchez la vache!)
[mooo]
ARTHUR: If you do not agree to my commands, then I shall–
[twong]
[mooooooo]
Jesus Christ!
KNIGHTS: Christ!
[thud]
Ah! Ohh!…
ARTHUR: Right! Charge!
KNIGHTS: Charge!
[mayhem]
FRENCH GUARD: Hey, this one is for your mother! There you go.
[mayhem]
FRENCH GUARD: And this one’s for your dad!
ARTHUR: Run away!
KNIGHTS: Run away!
FRENCH GUARD: Thppppt!
FRENCH GUARDS: [taunting]
LAUNCELOT: Fiends! I’ll tear them apart!
:rofl2:
Hey Nicki, KPOJ dropped carrier at midnight. Probably to clean the snout weevils from the keyboards or sumthin’
The goold old founding advertisers have been priced out of the market. When POJ changed formats they were in the tank and their rate card reflected that. As a top o’ the heap station their ad revenue can really climb…by squeezing the advertisers. That’s how the system works. Except for payola.
If Jeb had wanted to run for Nelson’s Senate seat, the Repigs would have welcomed him with the flowers and chocolates our troops were supposed to get when we went into Iraq. Probably also the 72 virgins.
The fact that he hasn’t jumped in yet leads me to believe he isn’t going to. FK is correct – his “nucular” family (sorry, couldn’t resist) has a LOT of baggage, notably wife Columba’s duty-free shopping spree a few years back, and daughter Noelle’s love of Xanax and sleight of hand at forging prescriptions for it.
In contrast, I don’t even know how many kids Nelson has. He’s married, but I don’t know her name or anything about her. In this election, that’s a positive. 😀
Jeb has quite the temper when he’s not getting his way. Kinda like a five-year-old who stamps his feet and holds his breath until his face turns blue. It’s not terribly amusing to watch in an adult.
He also has a tendency to ignore the voters if we pass a constitutional amendment that he doesn’t agree with, such as class size. (A Bush that makes up his own laws. Imagine that.)
I’m wondering if he may be angling for a Cabinet post if the Repigs keep the White House in 2008. Something to keep him in the public eye, but not get himself too muddy with big brother’s mess.
Hopefully we have seen the last Bush in the White House, at least in my lifetime. But as we’ve learned from the last two elections, they only need to rig one state to “win” it all.
DOWN WITH JEB!!!
IMPEACHMENT!!!
VIGILANCE!!!
:fire::fire::fire:
Lately Miyroie has been eagerly promoting the supposed disclosures in documents recently released by the US government of pre-2003 ties between Saddam Hussein, Al Qaeda and Zarqawi. In flushes of battiness reminiscent of Clare Sterling (the Mylroie of the Rfeagan years) she has even accused the Bush administration of promoting a cover-up in this regard. The documents have been greeted ecstatically by the war lobby, even though there are documents which do not encourage the scenario they espouse, such as one in which Iraqi security, on hearing that Zarqawi is in Iraq, puts out an APB bulletin to establish his whereabouts.
:omg:
I miss the early advertisers. What happened to the ol’ sausage stand on 4th and Morrison?
:rofl2: Seriously, now.
ZNet | Israel/Palestine
Rachel’s Words Live On
by Remi Kanazi; March 28, 2006
Each Palestinian has a special place in their heart for Rachel Corrie. She symbolized strength, perseverance, and self assuredness. Conversely, she was labeled an enemy of Israel, a nuisance of the American government and a target of ridicule by pro-Israeli propagandists. 58 years ago, my grandparents were dispossessed from their land in Palestine and this energetic little white girl from Olympia, Washington traveled half the world to try to fulfill their dream: the fruition of justice in Palestine.
On March 22 I sat in a pew at the Riverside Church, the very church Martin Luther King first chastised the war in Vietnam, with a congregation of ardent supporters to commemorate Rachel’s life and spread her words. This event came out of controversy. The critically acclaimed play “My Name is Rachel Corrie,” which chronicled Corrie’s work with the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) in Palestine through email and letters (and had two sellout runs in London), was canceled by the New York Theater Workshop (NYTW). Just weeks after the cartoon controversy and the mass trumpeting of free speech worldwide, Rachel Corrie was being silenced…her emails, letters, compassion and grace were to be buried with the dirt that covered her body after a D9 Caterpillar bulldozer drove her into the ground and ended her life. The New York Theater Workshop attempted to crush her memory but her words live on. Other theaters have already expressed interest in putting on the show.
A list of brilliant speakers came out to show solidarity in the name human rights and justice. Democracy Now’s Amy Goodman opened, “Welcome to this sanctuary of dissent. Dissent is what makes this country great.” Arab American Institute president James Zogby professed, “She [Rachel], not George Bush was our liberator.” Actress and activist Kathleen Chalfant declared, “There is hope that this will turn into a triumph. [This will be] a model for political action.”
Rachel Corrie fought for the realization of peace and the defense of those who couldn’t protect themselves…
http://www.zmag.org
hey so uh yeah my grandparents used to like jeb even though they hated his brother now they dont even like him anymore anyway yep so he lost my psuedo conservative christian grandparents so uh yep no president for him!
shit i actually need to drive today!
family trait?
and pj, you’re right, someone with brains but same dark side as our faux leader could have been even more disastrous (hard to imgaine, though)
:cry:i dont wanna drive (now im gonna stamp my feet and hold my breath till my face turns blue over it!)
its wednsday ya bastards! ok well uh yep im bored i should just get to work huh? i think i am going to go to buffalo wild wings first! yep yep going to buffalo wild wings even though i wish they would change their name because TRUST ME they dont compare! ok well if you dont trust me go here and order some la novas! yep yep do it do it now! of course if you are a vegetarian just ignore this post its not for you! ok well im gonna go eat breakfast!
Malloy did a pertinent rant on the immigration wedge issue in the last hour of his Monday show. White Rose Society.
Nicki, do you think there should be immigration laws? And do you think they should be enforced? Or do you think we should have open immigration?
I guess we ought to concede that Bush has succeeded in a few things in Iraq. Like pushing Iraq into the arms of Iran. Replacing a minority Sunni government ruled by the strong-armed dicator Hussein with a democratic (huh) government ruled by who? Replacing the insurgency with sectarian retributionists. I guess maybe its not all rosy in Iraq after all huh? So Bush broke it. Now what? Bush says it’ll be up to a future administration to decide what to do about the mess he’s made. Why should he worry? He and his cohorts have pillaged the USA of its wealth and mortgaged its future. The blood of American’s and Iraqis are on his hands. And we learn this week of secret memo’s that prove: “Bush was determined to strike.” It did not matter to Bush if Iraq was an imminent threat or not! I guess we must concede that America elected a madman to office. Our only hope? That Congress will open its eyes to this madness and impeach this man before he can do further harm to our Democratic Republic or someone even madder than he . . . put a bullet in his head. I prefer the former to the latter. Either way we are in deep shit here and even if Bush were to disappear tomorrow our country would feel the after affects of his rule for years to come. Our gutless party – the Democrat party, is complicit in our pain. They continue to nominate the unelectable. We cannot afford another like Bush. Where are those leaders in the Democrat party with backbone? The “balls” to call it like it is? I applaude Senator Feingold for standing firm for the principal of the rule of law. And I shake my head at the gutless . . . to scared to speak the truth.
isi, I don’t know if you saw this Daily show interview with Fareed Zakaria, but I found the comparison between the Seinsebrenner (sp? and I don’t care) proposal and the French was remarkable. Click on the Fareed video here.
Republicans mimicking the French?
Jeff and Kathy (King Dog and Weenie Queen) are still serving tube steaks to Portlanders, the last time I checked. Immigrants to Orygun just like me.
It just seems wrong to me that some people wait to come in legally and others come in illegally and are treated the same. If we are going to do that I think we need to be consistent and open all our borders. Just like I think it is wrong to treat Cubans coming to america different from haitians.
Immigration Laws?
We don’t live in a democracy. Business interests dominate our culture. Our nation was created largely through conquest.
Anyway, as for immigration laws we have good laws concerning people in places far away. Don’t we?
As for the current anti-immigrant hysteria, when the US agrees to acknowledge how we came to possess a huge chunk of Mexico–and compensation to the aggrieved–then I will support immigration legislation.
The new law proposal is directed against mainly Mexicans. It is a wedge issue that may kick off a race war. Don’t get conned by these klansmen.
I have to believe that Bush and his co-conspirators have put forth this immigration debate out here to distract the masses and the media from he and his parties criminal behavior. It worked. Look at you all here. Talking about this. Consummed by it. Bush must be laughing his ass off right now. He and Rove have once again changed the subject.
Nicki, but you didn’t answer the question about our current immigration laws. Do you think we should open our borders and what do you think of our current immigration laws about how people come to this country?
Don’t be patronizing. As we talk, minutemen creeps feel ennobled to really take action. We may have to organize against the modern brownshirts. Smash them to the pavement!
:omg:
I’m not being patronizing. I don’t know what I think about the laws currently on the books. I am asking your opinion.
it is wrong to treat Cubans coming to america different from haitians.
isn’t that because we are suppose to give favor to those who are politically oppressed?
The borders with Mexico are not legitimate. I have no problem with undocumented workers crossing the border. When the US agrees to pay reparations to Mexico (and elsewhere) then I may look into immigration laws.
I thought the Haitains that Clinton turned back were escaping horrible political circumstances, too. It’s been a while, but weren’t they put in camps? My memory is not too good. Probably should look up the facts.
Not you, isi. I am unable to pull text from other posts on this blog.
So you don’t believe the US border is what we recognize it to be?
The US borders exist. They are legitimate only because might makes right.
I was thinking of Haitii under an American proppped-up regime verses a castro regime (as perceived by the US government). Demonstrative purposes only.
This American Life makes me nervous sometimes. It seems contrived. Sarah Vowell was good on the Majority Report just now.
Cubans get favored status because of ideological reasons. Castro refused colony status. Therefore he must pay. One result is that Cuban refugees get legitimacy as soon as the touch soil. Give the communist nation a black eye.
Haiti has been unable to throw off the shackles. They remain a colony. A resource-less colony. They are not communist. (They probably will not recover without maassive aid from the west.) Haitian refugees do not have ideological privileges in the US.
It is crazy!
None of the borders in the Western Hemisphere are legitimate. There were millions of people already living here long before the Europeans came. Of course, the people who were already living here also weren’t beyond conquering and enslaving the other, other people who already lived here. It’s what people have traditionally done. It would be nice if we’d stop doing it from here on out, of course (it’s about time we evolved, IMHO) but there isn’t a culture without blood on its hands.
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Hey, when do the NY lotto numbers show up? Did I win?
Isn’t this what we are doing with Mexican immigration, wiping out the distinction between economic and polical refugees? If we are going to allow econimic refugees from Mexico to enter America we should allow all people that are economic refugees to enter america.
Wed and Sat for the lotto, and Tue/Fri for the Mega Millions.
Yeah, man, today is Wednesday. I think.
The first elite presupposition is the notion that the United States is a benevolent force in the world and that whatever it does, by definition, ultimately is about making the world a more just and democratic place. This is a pleasing assumption, and it puts a necessary fig leaf over what may be less altruistic aims. This presupposition makes it possible to dismiss as insignificant anomalies the recurring support for dictators and antidemocratic regimes and the repression of democratic movements that are seen as insufficiently sympathetic to US. interests. To cite a few examples: Guatemala and Iran in the 1950s, Brazil, Indonesia, and Greece in the 1960s, Chile and Zaire in the 1970s, El Salvador and Guatemala in the 1980s, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan today.
There are no examples of coexistence that we can try to emulate?
Since the US is only following historical patterns of conquest, then we have no need to resist. Mexicans would only do the same to us if we let them. I get it.
All absurd!:omg:
The big problem, IMO, is that by keeping immigrants’ status illegal, we are making it possible for them to be exploited, and powerless to insist upon fair (let alone legal) treatment, because the can always be threatened with deportation.
The question is, are there legitmate reasons to limit immigration into this country (beyond racism and xenophobia), and if so, how can this be accomplished, and if not, should we at least document then and give them legal status and the right to be treated with dignity?
The second elite presupposition that is unquestioned in US. media coverage of US. foreign affairs is the notion that the United States, and the United States alone, has a 007-like right to invade any country it wishes. The United States also reserves the right to “deputize” an ally to conduct an invasion if it so desires, but otherwise other nations are not permitted to engage in the invasion business. This presents a small problem for the political elite and for the news media. After all, the UN charter and a number of other treaties signed by the United States prohibit the invasion of one nation by another unless it is under armed attack. Moreover, the U.S. Constitution characterizes treaties as the highest law of the land, so that if the United States violates international law, it arguably warrants presidential impeachment. To top it off, in popular discourse, the United States proudly promotes itself as favoring the rule of law, and a main argument against all of its adversaries is invariably that they are liars who ignore treaties they have signed. That is, in fact, sometimes used as a rationale for a U.S. invasion.
As the United States celebrated the triumph of freedom and democracy, elementary questions went unasked. On what grounds should the US. claim to be concerned with democracy be taken seriously? (At the same time George W. Bush was leading his democratic crusade in Iraq, the murderous dictator of Uzbekistan, Islam Karimov, who could certainly give Saddam Hussein a run for his money in the human rights violations department, was called “very much George W Bush’s man in Central Asia:’ by the former British ambassador to Uzbekistan.) Is the United States a philanthropy that has no military or economic designs? Why did U.S. occupation authorities in Iraq work so hard to delay elections? If the U.S. favors democratic rule, why ignore the fact that most Iraqis voted for parties calling for a near-term or immediate end to the U.S. occupation? Is it legitimate to invade a nation to install democracy? If it is legitimate, who makes the decision about which country to invade and who does the invading? If the United States can do it to Iraq, can India do it to Pakistan? Can Russia invade Uzbekistan? Can Venezuela invade Colombia? Can Canada look at inequities in our society (toward women and ethnic minorities) or at irregularities in our voting procedures and determine that it needs to invade the United States to establish a bona fide democracy?
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/McChesney/Embedded_War_TAF.html
No, we should knock it off – we should evolve.
The drawing happens at like 11:00 or something. I think.
I feel this is a basic question that we need to answer. I would like to hear more debate on this. Our immigration policy impacts people from all over the world, not just Mexico.
I agree. We need to evolve. As for the current immigration debate, I am not a good one to come up with a pragmatic argument. I would struggle for the rights of people from Mexico to cross the border, find work, and return when they feel like it. Even better, I’d like to see the US come to the aid of Mexico. Help them build their economy. Put back resources.
:doh:Cool un
I just spilled a lot of water on my keyboard. Should I be worried.
I’ll be back later for Marc’s show :peace:
interesting, isi.
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corporate america is not going to want to treat the undocumented as legal – it will be ugly on their bottom line. goods will cost more (i personally am willing to pay more) and how will that play out against cheap Chinese goods? In the apple industry, the undocumented are an essential part of the business. The Chinese are now getting in to the apple business. If an apple company pays full wages, they’ll never be able to compete against Chinese apples (I’m playing devil’s advocate to posit the issue).
I think that most reasonable people would agree that there are reasons to keep certain individuals out (I’m thinking known, violent criminals, for instance; we have enough homegrown ones as it is). I don’t think it’s necessarily wrong to limit immigration to people with skills we feel are desireable (as, say Canada does). But I also think it’s wrong to try to use a group of people as scapegoats – whether they’re here legally or not – for all that’s wrong with our country. It’s the 4th generation Yale legacies that are really fucking things up, and this evil immigrant nonsense is just a way to pander to the xenophobes and keep our attention focused on something other than our disaster of a president.
I just spilled a lot of water on my keyboard. Should I be worried.
my coffee caused a minor glitch for awhile, but only PJ knows for sure. (never did tell mr. f!) :priest:
Exactly!
goodnight all. kiss marc for me.
Yes. There need to be standards. I guess for the Mexican question, I want different standards–no pathological criminals. But we do have laws against such behavior. Hey. This is a slippery slope. Like I said, I am not one to present a practical position. I am a revolutionary. I want to disempower the private tyrannies called corporations. I want the wealthy nations to help the poor nations. The private tyrannies exist. But they have no right to exist.
one final note: if the crazies come in, do a crime, get arrested, they are deported.
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Tar-and-Feather Abramhoff. Kick him when he is down!
Get Bush when he is out of power. Visit Belgium, Bush.:omg::rofl2:
It it’s a real lot of water, turn it off, unplug it (pull the battery if it’s a laptop), and let it dry out. Water isn’t all that bad. Stuff with sugar is not so good. Keyboards are cheap, but if it’s a laptop, let it dry out.
Reagan Revolution! Whooya! Zeig Heil!:omg:
ok so i left the buffalo wild wings after i finished watching olberman! yay good show! anyway so i was walking back to my truck and these kids probably between 18 and 21 or so threw a big ass piece of asphalt at me! it fell just short and shattered on the ground i turned around and i saw them getting back in the car so i picked up a piece and with my horrible throwing skills threw it back at the car they got into and managed to hit it! so they got out of the car and one of them picked up another piece of asphalt smaller this time and threw it at my head at the last second i moved my head and heard the rock whistle by then they got in the car again so i turned around and walked away so they drove by and threw a two liter of pop at me so i threw the last of my lemonade at the car as they drove off and then they stopped at the exit to the parking lot and got out and started yelling shit at me then they drove across the street into the movie theater parking lot and drove around it then came back out the parking lot and yelled at me that i was lucky they didnt have a gun! which yes i was! anyway then i went and got in my truck and they were gone but they were threatening that they would be back! then again they didnt see me get in the truck so good luck on them finding me not to mention i am leaving in a minute anyway! word ok well im out later sheeple!
I think I’m reluctant to comment on this issue because my position isn’t “progressive” enough. But I don’t think it’s right to “reward” illegal behavior by making it legal. I say this as a middle class American whose ancestors came through Ellis Island. (I’m first generation American on my mother’s side and second on my father’s side.) Yet I feel like a “person of privilege,” sitting in my comfortable home typing this. 😳
I have to go upstairs now and don’t know if I’ll be back down tonight. I hate to confess and run, but I’ll face the music tomorrow, if necessary.
Hi everyone! I’d be interested to know how many immigrants end up being criminals…because, like with the welfare queens, that sort of stuff is always bantered about as a distraction when the numbers are actualy smaller than criminals in society at large.
I am probably more pro immigrant because I see most of them as being people who work hard and really want the American dream. Like PJ said, its the 3rd Gen, Yalies who are the real criminals here.
Humans have always migrated…we are a migrating animal, and that has led to wars and destruction because we’re no different than any oghert territorial animal, except that we’re supposed to have the capacity for empathy or something…seems like some strains of our kind are missing that gene.
This idea of rules and countries is pretty new relatively and would be laughable if it wasnt so tragic.At the same time, in this day and age there is a need to be safe and it would be stupid for us to just allow an uncheck influx of whoever, whenever…just like we have to have social security numbers and pay taxes, I suppose that for our beautiful system to run we need to know who everyone is.
The problem is not the undocumented workers…its the corporations getting huge tax breaks for outsourcing jobs, and now they want a red carpet to break the law to indenture some of these people using different rules than we would apply to anyone else…and the rules, like the minimum wage and all that are so pathetic that I cant even fathom what they want to do with these poor people before sending them back after 3 years.
There has to be a corporate tax on every outsourced job from America, and there has to be a corporate break for every living wage job offered in America.
AND there has to be a huge windfall tax that goes directly into worker’s programs and benefits. How much money do these fuckers need?
I want to see American business regulated again…and I also want to see higher tariffs on imported goods as opposed to made in the USA. It would be so nice to be able to buy things that dont fall apart in a couple of months!
I just got a new bed and the now make beds that are one sided so you cant turn them…so they dont last as long. This when there is a tremendous problem with bed disposal and they have to jump through hoops recycling the parts….why would they do that? Why does everything fall apart?
Hey guys…sorry I never got back to you Tom & Farmerkat! I was unpacking (oh actually napping) and didn’t check the blog later!
My trip to Seattle was good, I didn’t feel as “foreign” as I did the last time I went home, but I still felt the pull of Japan as “home” for me. Perhaps in a few years I’ll move back, but for now I’m a Japan girl! :gate:
Hey Tom…when are we having the next Seditionists get-together? I7m itching to :alc: !!!
CK- I know how you feel. What made us lucky enough to be born in this place and to make it to a level of comfort? But those questions cant really be answered.
Im not saying to make it legal just like that, but to deny what is going on right downtown here is crazy. There are illegal people who have been here for years. They have kids in school and they work hard.
What they need is some recourse for those people who are regularly screwed over, so that they can anonymously report when they have been abused in any way…and some way for them to apply and work towards a green card or citizenship.
The human condition is such that everyone is gonna work as hard as they can to better their lives and to give their children a better life.
The law that attacks them for coming here to fill a job that is available is all turned around. The law should go after the companies that hire them, and if found guilty they should be forced to pay fines and give the workers back pay and benefits up to the poverty level that is allowed for citizens!…Make the corporations and small businesses pay and/or sponsor them in legally, and you will see a drop in people coming because there wont be as many jobs available.
If we wait long enough, the economy here will TOTALLY tank and the illegals won’t want to come the the States anyway! Land of Opportunity my ASS. Opportunity to experience unmanagable debt and crushing poverty maybe!
I agree with you CK that we shouldn’t be rewarding illegals behavior, but at the same time it seems to fundamentally contradict the history of the U.S.
Funny about the apple thing too…I was reading an apple article and did you know that McDonalds is the largest apple buyer in the world? If they decide not to have the apple pie or apple salad on the menu anymore the whole apple industry will shake from the…um…core! 😉
So if Walmart is one of the largest Chinese corporations, maybe McDonalds is not far behind…?
If china is a mover and shaker in the apple market, you can bet that McDonalds is there too.
fuck yes malloy! he has an even higher minimum wage standard than i do! ha 12$ an hour! my plan would make it 10$ an hour with a once yearly update to keep the minimum wage even with inflation!
Hate to post and run guys…but Ive got to hit the hay.
I hope tonight is a normal show…maybe longer??…how can we know?
Have a great show.
Check you all tomorrow!
Supposed to be a little bit late start tonight, for some reason. Between 10 – 10:30 start.
stupid ass immigration! my grandfather got really mad at me over the immigraqtion issue!
the.whole.computer.must.be.screwed.up!(.Oh,I.don’t.have.a.space.bar..I’m.using.
an.old.keyboard)..the.mouse.isn’t.working.right
,either.this.is.not.good.nope.what.should.I.do?
GRRRR!:(
hey you broke the blog travis!
I.think.I’ll.see.you.sheeple..I.don’t.what.to.do….
Sorry.about.breaking.the.blog…It’s.the.computer’s.fault!.(I.can’t.even.use.the.emoticons!!!:)
ithinkileftoutsomewordsuptherebutithinkyougettheideasorry
dude edit 146! fix the blog man!
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hey its fixed!:banana:
i wonder if those guys are gonna come back and shoot up my truck?
Just sounds like a bunch of dumb kids, but then you never know, I guess.
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yeah and its dumb kids that are more likely to make stupid decisions like hey i say we shoot up the truck of that guy that dared to throw the rocks we threw at him back at us!
Yep. You never know, really.
Well,the.mouse.problem.fixed.itself..So,I’ll.just.wait.
for.the.good.keyboard.to.dry.(when.I.say.good,I.mean
not.broken..Unless.it.is…I’m.so.confused!)..Anyway,later:doh:
yay! Marcness! 🙂