Lots to do by midnight tonight (not to mention the rest of the week, but today’s gonna be difficult enough to get through w/o getting ahead of myself). Nice to see Bill Clinton all intelligent and articulate yesterday, wasn’t it? There was a time when that would be described as “presidential,” but not any more. Now presidential means arrogant and ignorant (and that’s being pretty kind). Oh well, maybe someday we’ll get another president I can not be ashamed of – whether I agree with him (or her) or not. In the meantime, though, I guess I’d better get busy, on the odd chance that the end times won’t get here before my savings account runs out. Have a good Monday.
Here’s an oldie but a goodie.
:penguin:
:fire:firetruck! PJ you and raging gonna come to Utica for Jesus Christ Superstar!
:doh:ok well hi everybody hope all is well! friggin house i wanted was sold already my mom did a drive by for me yesterday so i am pissed! ok well catch you all probably tuesday morning when i get to utica PJ send me an e-mail seaniesean5 aol or yahoo if you two can come ok well laters sheeple!
good morning :sheep: le
Since PJ posted last night about Chris Simms having his spleen removed…
latest word is that he (Simms, not PJ) is resting comfortably, and will probably remain in the hospital for 5 to 7 days. He should recover with no complications, but will probably be out for the rest of the season, although the Bucs have yet to confirm this. I’m thinking it’s not good for the healing process to have 300-pound guys ramming into you 8 or 9 times every Sunday.
Personally, I would like to see the Bucs pick up Bill Clinton as QB for the rest of the season, coming off his victory over Chris Wallace yesterday. But GM Bruce “Brother of Senator Macaca” Allen would probably veto the signing anyway.
So Krista, does the puppy come home today?
:pup::pup::pup:
Hey guys…seems like this clinton thing is real news…on the actual news…
Now come the naysayers who are gonna say that clinton was wrong…
But still…its actually on the regular broadcast channels.
Time to get Will up…make :joe:
Hey, is today the day that Krista’s puppy comes home?
Kev,,,from what I just saw on cbs, look for the repugs to parade out all sorts of people to say that Clinton is Lying!!! How does that work when he is talking about facts that are largely backe dup by witnesses and the commission report?…the only thins he could actually be lying about are his feelings about things….
:eek::eek::eek::eek::yuck::yuck::yuck::yuck::crap::crap::crap::crap:
❓ morning :sheep: le
Cindy Sheehan is on C-span
Reich wingers are 👿
Reich wingers need to be eliminated :gate::omg::jason::jason::jason:
Gun control and removal of nuclear weapons only after Reich wingers are eliminated.
( insert emo of H bomb being dropped on Reich wingers)
:penguin:post more lies you liberal wastes of ummmm bio-matter!
:fu:friggin internet connection here wont let me look at my myspace blog but it will let me look at jeffy’s piece of shit three entries in 5 months piece of crap blog! well at least it lets me come here!
ABC has apparently decided to combine forces with FAUX news ..Slime and lie campaign has begun against all democrats and proponents of peace
There are to many “stupids” out there to try to combat them by boycotts . Figure out the next logical solution. ( Canada and Venezuela are not accepting applications for work visas if that was your thought)
seanie! Are you coming down this way with Jesus?
Mike Taibbi reported on the Today Show that Bill Clinton seemed “unseemly” in his “personal attack” on Chris Wallace.
Welcome to reality.
Jeffy the :penguin: ( insert emo of H bomb being dropped here)
OH!! Guess what? Yesterday, in the midst of the shopping with grandpa and the origami at the museum etc…I fonally, after some 25 odd years of circling round, won the Kevin Bacon game!! (he is grandpa’s upstairs neighbor, so I was down to 1 anyway…
And it turns out that I am taller than him and most likely I wear a larger size of levis….But he did have on a great black leather blazer. Hi said that he dresses like a bum…and I said, well, there I was just thinking how great his clothes were….in a rock and roll shabby chich sorta way….ha!
But, I won, I won, I won!! No degrees between me and him….zero…
Now he can go away. I have no real interest in him, besides the game and the racket they make in their apartment above Hi’s head….
Mike Taibbi reported on the Today Show that Bill Clinton seemed “unseemly” in his “personal attack” on Chris Wallace.
Welcome to reality.
Of course it’s unseemingly. They would much rather have their butts kissed. That, of course, is only right and fitting.
:penguin::tommygun: why use unneccesary force fred!
Now all the Sweet O’le Boys from the south are attacking Sheehan for being aligned with Chavez.. ( fred begins to call all those people he knew who worked at Rocky Flats looking for raw material)
yeah, they also attacked her as being anti-Israel at one time. Seems like that poor woman keeps on going throughout all of this neocon crap, so good for her.
Money must be removed from political campaigns ( fred continues looking up names and phone numbers)
They note that liberal 501C3’s are not coming up with significant money .. At around $ 130/ton the alternate to an election costs to much to do both.
Afghan women’s official shot dead
Great….so, it looks like we continue on as usual….no rest for the wicked, I guess….
It was fun for a day or two to feel like someone said something at least…I guess.
And here come the acorns!…Its raining acorns. Its fall!
The Rise of Jihadistan
Five years after the Afghan invasion, the Taliban are fighting back hard, carving out a sanctuary where they—and Al Qaeda’s leaders—can operate freely.
http://tinyurl.com/z9sq6
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Do I feel a draft and/or see the first of many wars that the SBR loses..:eek::eek::eek::eek:
THat fucking Wallace with his smirk and his little sweaty hands…he reminds me of Golum trying to be nice….Im sure he thinks he owns the world this morning.
I hope that the reality got through to at least some people out there. If the polls start moving in the wrong direction Im gonna really flip.
Well, the foxheads are the foxheads – nothing will move them. But I think Clinton reminded everybody what a real president looks like, which can’t be good for the republicans, particularly in light of the NIE.
Speaking of which, Josh Marshall says we should all call our Senators and Congressfolks and tell them to declassify the estimate before the election. So, better give Joey a call, Melina.
Good Morning :joe: Is everyone else getting a double image of the Youtube that flashes on and off?
Tomorrow is when I pick up the pup. The other dog I was thinking about getting got adopted, so I’m relieved. I don’t know that I’m ready for all that goes into training 2 pups. The pounds vet was not going to be in today. Now I’m worried that they are gonna be backlogged with a lot of animals that need to be fixed and they will get sloppy about it trying to catch up.
:pup:yay puppies!
Good Morning all. :joe:
Hey, so I had an interesting conversation with a lady at the pound who was adopting a dog. She said the dog had better get along with her chickens because they were the most important animals at her home. I asked her why and she said that the chickens eat the scorpions and spiders and centipedes, not to mention the eggs they produce. She said the bug population went down about 90%. I was just working in a house last week that was out in the desert and there was a whole lot of dead scorpions INSIDE the house and that kind of freaked me out and I don’t really like using pesticides if I don’t have to. I’ve NEVER seen a scorpion in all the places I’ve ever lived here in town but it’s good to know that if I ever move out into the desert I have a natural pesticide to use.
quick drive-by…. :joe:
KP => guinea hens are even better bug eaters than chickens, imho. took care of my tick and flea population and they like the heat. i need more but first must build a coop for them to go in to be safe at night. predators will get your chickens and guineas unless they have a safe spot at night.
bye!
I hope Everyone has called their Senators — WITH STRENGTH — as with how Clinton spoke, even if they (their Sens) are rethugs:!: (I hope now I can go to sleep, since I called Washington DC offices — but will follow-up with a “Neuter/Spay Postcard” with flag stamps.) (Sleep? I am all amped since I called — and that was awhile ago. :eek:)
Shoot, I would love to have Guinea Hens. Phoebe would be difficult though, she is a Vizsla and has killed a few pigeons.
pjsauter, just read #28. Double:eek:. re NIE I might call Tuesday or Wednesday since I just called or just mail the Neuter/Spay postcard. Or write a quick letter, if you feel it will get more attention. (But postcards are great since then many can read. TeeHee/:yippee:) I am still thrilled with a Dem (B. Clinton) coming out “swinging”. :yippee:
:knit::gate:I bid thee all a FareWell :billcat::pup::cat::wink::banana:
Bye Druid!
Hey, where is everybody?:reaper:
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants Six Flags Great America to scrap its Halloween-themed cockroach-eating promotion.
A spokeswoman for the animal rights organization says the contest at the amusement park’s FrightFest is “gratuitously cruel.”
The park in Gurnee, Ill., is joining other Six Flags parks in offering unlimited line-jumping privileges to anyone who eats a live Madagascar hissing cockroach. The bugs are up to three inches long.
The contest begins next month.
Amusement park officials are defending their menu choice. Great America spokesman Jim Taylor says the bugs are nutritious, high in protein and fat free.
http://tinyurl.com/rkyjk
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There must be something clever to say relating Madagascar cockroaches and rethugs..:paranoid:
Clinton on FAUX on UTube/via RAWSTORY
http://tinyurl.com/fl2mr
LOS ANGELES – Mel Gibson criticized the war in Iraq while recently promoting his new film “Apocalypto” at a Texas film festival.
Gibson, 50, drew parallels between the collapsing Mayan civilization depicted in the movie and the United States at a screening Friday at the Fantastic Fest in Austin, the Hollywood Reporter said Monday.
“The precursors to a civilization that’s going under are the same, time and time again,” the actor-director said after a screening of an unfinished cut of “Apocalypto,” his first directorial effort since “The Passion of the Christ.”
“What’s human sacrifice if not sending guys off to Iraq for no reason?” he said at the festival, which is devoted to new science fiction, horror and fantasy films.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15001985/
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:?::?::?::?::?::reaper::reaper::reaper::reaper:
The United States edition of the October 2, 2006 issue of Newsweek features a radically different cover story from its International counterparts, RAW STORY has learned.
The cover of International editions, aimed at Europe, Asia, and Latin America, displays in large letters the title “LOSING AFGHANISTAN,” along with an arresting photograph of an armed jihadi.
The cover of the United States edition, in contrast, is dedicated to celebrity photographer Annie Leibovitz and is demurely captioned “My Life in Pictures.”
http://tinyurl.com/j5q6v
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:?::?::?::?::?:
What do all these media outlets get from the RNC :tommygun:
Hey everyone. I think Im getting sick…in the lung…my nephew has such a high fever that hes gotta go back to the Dr for a blood test just to make sure its not something bad….or worse.
I heard from the guys hwo are helping me around the place that they saw basement snake in a bush yesterday and he seemed to have a popped out eye, like something hit his head…so Ive been out looking for him off and on all day. Hoping to find him and take him to the vet before he get infected….damn…
So, Im gonna go and read back …see whats goign on in the world….The problem with podcasting is that Im always on yesterday’s news…I finally decided to listen to the Turks from this AM, which is semi annoying, but OK, I guess. When we head out again next Ill have Sam and Al…
This radio situation is so bad….
But…people at they gym who normally dont know much knew about the Clinton thing…and also are talking about the Pope….
I think that all of this stuff together is getting to the point where no one can avoid it…even Faux and their spinners cant really get around it.
Raw Story has learned? That story is dated as published today – what, they think they got an exclusive there?
The space shuttle has landed safely, Morning Seditionists has learned. In other news, Generalísimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
re 43- Im sure Mel doesnt like the war…even the Pope doesnt like the war…but then Mel doesnt like the Pope as hes broken with the Vatican……and surely Mel surely thinks that civilization is really collapsing here because of the bold changes in the Catholic church, like saying mass in english/spanish or some language that people can understand!…Ill bet thats why Daddy drinks too….
Computer science majors make some of the highest starting salaries for college graduates in the country, at about $50,000 a year. Computer science and computer engineering jobs are some of the fastest-growing occupations in the nation, according to the U.S. Department of Labor.
So why are university computer science departments watching their enrollments slide?
This fall, Vanderbilt University’s computer science department is less than half the size it was in 2001. This year, enrollment fell again, to 61 students from 78 a year ago. Computer engineering has dropped as well.
At universities across the country, the picture has been similar. Fewer and fewer people are enrolling in university computer science programs, just at a time when employers say they can’t find enough qualified employees
http://tinyurl.com/jgrbe
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That last line is a bunch of crapola. Unemployment among all techies must be around 30% .. You only see openings for contract jobs ( jobs with no benies) for 90 to 180 day contracts if you see jobs posted at all.
Wages have fallen by as much as $10.00 per hour. ( still with no benies)
The cost of going to a 4 year state school is around 25,000 dollars and a private school around 75 – 150 thousand dollars.
The SBR has lost due to outsourcing some 400,000 IT jobs over the last six years.
One problem is that math, physics and other science majors generally held jobs in computer science related fields before they found one of the six to eight jobs in their field of study that opened in the SBR last year. So no one is majoring in these fields either. :reaper::reaper::reaper:
Red faced?….no redder than Wallace’s…..
Kat…I know youre off somewheres nursing Mr back to health…I was gonna get ginuea hens because you can keep the chicks in the coop for 2 weeks and then they wont run away. I wanted quail (they also eat ticks) but they go wild in the woods….so you lose them.
I heard that Guinea’s make a horrible sound though….and I met *The* guinea hen woman in this area and she was at the bird vet with one…and it was nasty!
But I would love chickens. I think maybe I’d have to fence them….
After the bird flu thing is passed IM probably gonna get some outside birds….maybe a donkey.
Raw Story :tommygun::tommygun::tommygun::tommygun:
One of the other things that seem to pop up among all recent college graduates is that the cost of going to school and the lack of jobs has caused many of them to default on their student loans without ever having a job to start with. The new bankruptcy law has prohibited them from declairing bankruptcy and because they have not worked for the last three quarters they don’t qualify for unemployment insurance so they go back to living at home where the collection agencies find them and attach their parents wages to pay for their kids delinquent college loans.. ( fred continues to look for names and telephone numbers):tommygun::tommygun::tommygun:
In defense of RawStory no liberal much less someone in a liberal media outlet would ever intentionally watch FAUX News. :barf: ing on an empty stomach is bad for your health.
Actually, I thought Clinton was quite calm, very much in control, and very determined to say what he felt needed to be said. I’m sure the wingnuts and their minions are trying to paint him as an outta control wacko (hence, I do not pay attention to them), but it’s kinda odd that Raw Story would jump on their talking points. Oh well, could be worse. Could be a story by Jason Leopold that Clinton has already been indicted or something.
:barf: ing on an empty stomach is bad for your health.
Comment by fred — September 25, 2006 @ 4:53 pm
Then do what I do when I drink too much.
:barf: on someone ELSE’S empty stomach! :yippee:
Well, yeah, I tried to watch fux news yesterday, but could only take two minutes. So, like most of the “blogosphere,” I opted to watch on C&L instead.
Muhammed’s Sword
by Uri Avmery
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=105&ItemID=11039
hmm, just got an e mail about a boycott of Estee Lauder cosmetics by Arabs because the president of the company supports Israel. I’m going to have to switch cosmetics or something, I dunno (of course the e mail came from a pro Israeli source too, but I can’t pick and choose friends all the time based on that)
Pope meets with Muslim diplomats
Pontiff calls for ‘sincere and respectful’ dialogue
CASTEL GANDOLFO, Italy – Seeking to end anger in the Islamic world over his remarks on holy war, Pope Benedict XVI told Muslim envoys Monday their two faiths must overcome historic enmities and together reject violence, saying the future of humanity is at stake.
The pope also urged “reciprocity” in religious freedom, calling for preserving the rights of Christians throughout the Islamic world.
“The circumstances which have given rise to our gathering are well known,” Benedict said, referring to his remarks on Islam in a Sept. 12 speech at Regensburg University in Germany, which set off protests around the Muslim world.
snip
his five-minute address Monday at a meeting with 22 foreign diplomats and representatives of Italian Muslim organizations — whom the pope greeted one-by-one, clasping their hands warmly — seemed to be well received by his guests at his vacation palace in the Alban Hills south of Rome.
“The Holy Father stated his profound respect for Islam. This is what we were expecting,” Iraqi envoy Albert Edward Ismail Yelda said as he left the 30-minute meeting. “It is now time to put what happened behind and build bridges.”
/snip
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14996192/
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:shock::shock::shock:
A Regression in Consciousness
Flying Saucers and the Decline of the Left
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN
The world is in tumult, but here in the heart of Empire the level of creative political energy runs flat along the bottom of the graph. As Iraq disintegrates amid frightful slaughter, US generals propose to bring to life the mad plan they once ascribed to Saddam Hussein, to dig a defensive ditch round Baghdad, one of the larger cities on the planet.
In Afghanistan the Taliban are once again on the rise. Amid these vivid implosions of the “war on terror,” the US antiwar movement is near dead…
http://www.counterpunch.org
That’s it, no more Estee Lauder for me!
But if there’s ever a Suave boycott, I’m screwed.
By the same token, I’m sure that the Bush gang, and all the conspirators of capital, are delighted at the obsessions of the 9/11 cultists. It’s a distraction from the 1,001 real plots of capitalism that demand exposure and political challenge.
Tell me about it
CounterPunch Events
Thursday September 28 , Olympia, Washington
Neoliberal Destructions, featuring
P. Sainath: The Body Count in India
Alexander Cockburn: The Counter Attack
When: Thursday, September 28 7:30 pm
Where: The Evergreen State College Seminar II, Building D, room 1105 Free Admission
Friday Sept. 29, Portland, Oregon
St. Clair at Portland State on War, Profits and Censorship
CounterPunch co-editor Jeffrey St. Clair will read from his new book, Grand Theft Pentagon, at the PSU Millar Library as part of the American Library Association’s Banned Books Week and the September Project. Grand Theft Pentagon alleges that some of the world’s largest corporations used the events of 9/11 to secure government contracts worth billions of dollars. St. Clair examines areas of the Pentagon, focusing on deals between the defense department and contractors including Boeing and Halliburton.
When: Friday, September 29, 2006, 7-9 p.m.
Where: First floor, PSU Millar Library (1875 SW Park Ave.).
Cost: Admission is free and open to the public. Oregon Food Bank donations accepted at the PSU Library.
Monday October 2, CounterPunch in Berkeley, California
Neoliberal Destructions
Talk by P.Sainath and Alexander Cockburn
on Monday, Oct 2, 6pm
370 Dwinelle Hall
University of California, Berkeley
Be There! :omg:
I’ll be there in spirit :tongue:
Benedict’s Maledicts
by C.K. Raju
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=105&ItemID=11037
(Who was the greater exponent of Conversion by the Sword?)
mm good historical stuff.
the footnotes are even more interesting than the article :omg:
The Darfur Smokescreen:
http://www.counterpunch.org/estabrook09232006.html
C. K. Raju, “The curse on ‘cyclic’ time”, The Eleven Pictures of Time: The Physics Philosophy and Politics of Time Beliefs, Sage, 2003, chp. 2.
Whoa. I guess I’m an even greater geek than I ever imagined, but I really want to read this :om::nod:
The brutal intolerance by Christianity historically is disturbing. Compare this to the relative tolerance of Islam. Did you notice what he wrote about Augustine?
:omg::omg::omg:
I plugged this the other day – a debate thursday night in NY Cooper Union on the Israel Lobby, for all you AIPAC haters [How about it? Are there any putas in the audience!]:
http://www.lrb.co.uk/debates/
Actually, I might also suggest an interview with Chris Wallace’s proctologist. :sammy:
the history of Christianity is one long list of atrocities. If someone wearing the cross wants to move past that and live the more loving teachings of Jesus, fine, but to sit there and condemn another religion as being violent is, well, would be :rofl2: if it weren’t so 😥
Where do you go when you die?
Where do you go when you die?
There isn’t any Saviour
There isn’t any Lord
There isn’t a Madonna
Sitting there to be adored
There is no damnation
There is no salvation
This is it for you, baby
This is it for me
Watch out, honey
Where do you go when you die?
Where do you go when you die?
A church is full of people
Praying to themselves
Praying to each other
Praying not to go to hell
A church is full of people
Praying to the void
Eyes deep within them
And they’re feeling paranoid
All I ever been is me
All I know is I
And I will turn to nothing
In the second that I die
Oh, where do you go when you die?
Where do you go when you die?
Your consciousness evaporates
Your body hits the ground
And if you have a soul, you know
It will not stick around
It could merge with Napoleon’s
Or blend with Easy E’s
It might get stuck in limbo
Like a balloon stuck in the trees
There ain’t no Pontius Pilate
There ain’t no Judas Priest
There’s just a lump of rotting meat
Officially pronounced deceased
Oh yeah, baby, where do you go when you die?
Where do you go when you die?
You’re not supposed to ask this question
You’re supposed to be here now
And if you have good karma
You won’t come back as a piece of British beef
Where do you go when you die?
Nowhere
Where do you go when you die?
Nowhere
When you die
Any questions? :sammy:
Hey everyone,
Melina, did you download skype? Get a headset? Call me! my skype name is cnickthomas (of course). My little radio station is playing music from my iTunes playlist if you wanna listen.
http://71.8.9.181:8000/listen.m3u
question, Cnick, this Skype, is it free, and if I used it would I have to buy something? (headset?)
skype is a free download for windows or mac. Yes, you need a headset to use skype. You can buy headsets pretty cheap from most electronic stores, Target . . .
thanks, Cnick. Free phone conversations anywhere in the US, that’s pretty cool
Well perhaps I mispoke. I don’t see a windows download here.
yes, you can download a Windows verson too. I think even Linux
I’m using Mac OS X so it’s all good
You can get it from here there are versions for Windows, OSX and Linux
http://www.skype.com/download/
Susan you ought to check out this “Nicecast” software for broadcasting on a Mac. It’s $40.00. But I think $40.00 is worth it for this package. Now if I could just get someone to call in live to the broadcast on skype and see if I’ve got this configured right!
Hey Fred, I may need a Ryder Truck fully loaded for the weekend. Can you help me out?
not sure if I want to broadcast or just be able to talk to people, but it’s good to know, so thanks 🙂
Liberal bloggers have uncovered a staff member to Rep. Charles Bass (R-NH) using government computers to make fake posts on liberal blogs in New Hampshire, today’s ROLL CALL reports.
Heard on The Hill columnist Mary Ann Akers has authorized RAW STORY to reprint the full registration-restricted item below:
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Liberal bloggers in New Hampshire busted an aide to Rep. Charles Bass (R-N.H.) who was posing as a liberal blogger on such blogs as Blue Granite, NH-02 Progressive and others. Bass’ office admitted culpability to HOH and said the staffer would be “appropriately disciplined.”
The unnamed aide to Bass — who, like many others in his party, faces a tough re-election fight — was routinely trolling liberal New Hampshire political blogs calling himself “IndyNH” and more commonly IndieNH, pretending to be a progressive
http://tinyurl.com/qlnvz
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Not to mention speedy who didn’t even try to pretend.:eek::eek::eek:
Hey Cnick .. the procedure is to form an LLC, then buy a hopper car or two directly from ADM on your American Express card.
Sean and I both think wasting a whole truck is a waste of $.. Just rent a construction storage trailer and a tractor the day you need to use it. :eek::eek::eek:
The question is: “Who will be the first caller into the OnAir talk line?” Will it be you? Or you? Or perhaps . . . even you?
The lefty talkers are going to lose all credibility among anyone who knows anything about nuclear power the more that they have Ms Calderot on.:barf::yuck:
I got to go get my puppy today :pup: I think they had a lot of spay/neuturin’ to do and decided that they needed Monday to catch up.
:pup::pup::pup: Yeah Krista :pup::pup::pup:
Warning Warning Warning Helen Calderot alert ..Helen Calderot alert Warning Warning Warning
All listeners stand by to :barf::barf:
:pup: YEA Kristapea :banana: :pup:
Greetings All :yippee: :dancers::banana:
yay doggie doggie!!!! :pup::pup::pup:
Hey Druid! Got any name suggestions? Now I’m liking Annie, Sally, Banjo and Flipper.
Maybe Heidi because she keeps hiding under my leg.
:pup::pup: Awww Flipper reminds me of the Marc maron Show 🙁
She sure is a cutie KP – She looks like an Annie to me:nod:
:yippee:Liberty or Justice … But can call Lib or Liberty —
All What YOU Said FIRST :yippee::banana: :pup: :banana: :yippee:
😉 — It is like a Spell or a Calling — or Libby (but then you say Heidi — a Secret awwwww)
But the important thing is that you name — she loves :love: your voice, your :love: ❗ :pup: AWWWWWWWWWWW 😉
She’s got water dog paws.
I like Liberty too but I’m not sure it’s for her. Well see in the next few days.
Fred, where is Ms C? I went to C-Span 1,2,3 :doh::?:
Kristapea , :nod: let the name come to you. She and you will know…but many times it is the first (teehee) BUT NOT ALWAYS:!::pup:. Take in all names then just see what surfaces — like you are doing :pup:
Then when alone, you with pup:pup: will know — just naturally:!:
A water pup :pup: is important :pup:
Ms C was on with Ms Madcow
Ms Madcow then went off on Chavez calling heir dictatordorp the devil.. How long does it take for Madcow disease to mature ??
Sweet Jane was named after the song. The version by the Cowboy Junkies that was in Natural Born Killers. I got her the day after I saw that movie and the song was going through my head while I was riding in the back of the truck with her on the way home.
fred, Ohhhhhh. Rats. I very seldom listen now to AAR since I like the freedom of the Stream — and it is chaotic with ads and turns off quite a bit. :growl: … Life is too busy, thus AAR BORES ME — with its Games.
When I listen = KTLK. But at times they are just “fluff”
Krista just don’t wait to long. to name her . She might do something that will result in an inappropriate name being yelled at her.:pup:
Yeah Fred :smack: She keeps getting tangled in my legs and I thought of naming her Tangles. I discarded it right away though.
fred — You are “sick” :rofl2::lol::rofl2::yippee:
(I am out of court, so I do at least check in to AAR:slap:)
Aaron Brown is on David Bender. Shoot, I almost forgot about him…
hey guys, don’t know if you saw this on crooks & liars, so i’ll post it here:
Maj. General Batiste (Ret) Former Army Commander, 1st Infantry Division 2004-05 – senate hearings via c-span.
Re Iraq & Rumsfeld
MELINa, guineas are awesome. They fly better than chickens so they can get away from predators a bit better. Alas, they are indeed loud sometimes – watch guineas – so best to have a coop not too close to the house. Oh, and their eggs in olden days were prized – especially for making cakes!
ciao!
A dog finding someone to love them will return the love a million times over. Many moons ago I had a Cocker Spaniel and she just plain didn’t like to be in the kennel The day of reuniting was always a day of joy for her.
Living in the city I got in trouble for having chickens once so Guinea hens would probably work even worse ..( the neighbors objected to what happened right after the sun came up) They were spraying for West Nile virus earlier in the summer and we have no bugs or birds this year.
SBlueHeron … I just want to say :yippee: :dancers: (Where’s T?) SBH again :yippee: 😉
Randi Rhodes understands the devil and sulphur stuff from Chavez. Do you mean that Maddow is still mad about the name-calling? Unpack this Rachell. Rhodes Scholar Rachel. Why do you think Chavez would call Bush the Devil at the UN? Can you spell “assassination threats”? Can you spell “coup”? How about “imperialism”? Oh, I know. You want to ensure that you will have a lucrative job if you get fired.
I think T is on his way to the ocean for the week. Hope he can get a connection out there.
I just ordered Marc Maron tickets for both Saturday shows.
Gypsy and Old Zeb will come up from Portland. Anyone else going?
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AAR’s night time programming is now so centrist or even Reich of center that it is speaking to those confused rethugs not to the real liberals/progressives/left.
fred, I love :love: 😎 cool that you also say “Many Moons …” :yippee: (re 111)… YEA :banana: 😉
also re 103 :lol::rofl2:
“confused rethugs” = those who think “wow, I didn’t know I had so much in common with liberals, let me listen to this AA radio more” BUT THEY’RE NOT REAL LIBERALS YOU :bf: Rachel is a radio opportunist. That’s what you’re hearing when she’s on the air.
Ok…let me calm down…
Druid…do you have iTunes? AAR stream there seems to be the most stable. Better than Real Player and WMP.
Farmerkat, Great Info … (:knit: 😉 I hope Mr is doing better :banana:)
Are you a Sept or Oct (I thought near-ish me :banana:)
NY Times Article Virginia Heffernan
September 25, 2006, 1:06 pm
Clinton Cleans FOX’s Clock . . . on YouTube!
While Howie Kurtz and Drudge get all OMG and eye-rolling, and tell us that Bill Clinton was some kind of American Idol flop on FOX yesterday, they totally miss the point.
Clinton may have freaked out on FOX, but on YouTube, he killed. He cleaned the FOX clock.
It was a perfect three-minute aria of fury: Gore-like (heh) in its understanding of the third screen, the insta-fury, the clip fit, the sheen of spontaneity and socking it to the cable prigs live. Drudge called Clinton “purple-faced,” because he wasn’t cool in a cool medium — television.
But YouTube isn’t a cool medium. In fact, YouTube uploaders, who started and ended the clip their own way, had their own names for the performance: “Bill Clinton Smacks Down Fox News,” “President Clinton Fights Back” and “Bill Clinton Kicks the Crap Out of Fox News.”
Hey, politicians: on YouTube, where an interview isn’t buffered by 24 hours of FOX spin and right-wing talking points, ideological saturation is no longer the goal. An explosion of emotion is what online video is all about. Reframed on YouTube’s interface, Chris Wallace in his pink tie being all “dad, whatever, this is embarrassing” seems uptight and not-getting-it. (Did he really say, “You seem upset”?!)
Clinton has somehow mastered the bright, short words and menacing, iconic lurches that work as bursts of flavor on YouTube. He also knows how to curse without cursing. Check it out: “a bunch of bull . . . move your bones . . . wag the dog . . . battle plans . . . a Muslim warlord . . . not a living soul . . . nice little conservative hit job.”
Clinton accused FNC of smirking and doing little their right-wing things for little false right-wing reasons. And he said he tried to get bin Laden, tried to kill-kill kill bin Laden, and read Dick Clarke’s book and you’ll see what he did, and FOX and all the double-standard right-wing smirkers can just kiss his grits.
Who knows if a candidate — like Hillary Clinton? — can use YouTube this way. But it’s an ingenious way for a proxy to energize the base.
At the laundromat, the TV was hard to hear. People got the gist, and turned back to the dryers. Finally, someone said, “I’m going to watch this all again on YouTube,” and left.
Link to video
Aaron Brown is interested in radio…:hubba:
sblueheron re 119 W O W , :nod: I do have ITunes… hmmm maybe to listen to Y. Turks with out going :nuts: …
can anyone explain :nuts: — it looks like a Cobra — but says NUTS , like a squirrel. Do squirrels live in ground back east 😮 😆 I was going to use squirrel/NUTS for RATS :billcat: teehee
I think it is some idiot twiddling his joystick:nuts:
:banana: Susan Joy :rofl2::lol::rofl2: I like :love: your :growl: :yippee: 😉
Farmerkat, a mega Emo Alert :spank: My Bad hehehe Mwah HaHa 😉
sblueheron, HaHaHa :rofl2::lol::rofl2: (re 124)
cnickthomas, I am just trying to get some volume 😮 re 121 :growl:
:tommygun:
Hey Druid, My latest podcast (9-25) has the audio portion of the Chris Wallace / President Bill Clinton interview.
cnickthomas, 😉 :banana:
I get to call Tom Delay’s district in Texas (through MoveOn) Mwah HaHa
Hey Nick…sorry , I headed out again before I saw your earlier msg. I didnt get a chance to get it yet. I have to get a new printer so I will pick one up…but am now getting sick so feel like hell….am trying to head it off with zinc spray (yuck) and super absorbant vitamins…
SBlueHeron, I got on iTunes , AAR you wonderful woman you:!: No ads and :crap: YEA :banana: :dancers:
Melina , Awwwww :knit: :gate: FEEL BETTER ❗ :yippee::banana::yippee: :dancers: :yippee: 😉
Krista …congratulations!!!:pup::pup::pup::pup:
Give thge name thing time…you dont have to rush really. Annie Denver sounds good to me…but there might be others that will come up. I also like Maggie for her…
Hey Dru!
Yeah, Im a little under things…and Will isn ot being very good this evening. I think he is asleep now…hope so…
Thats where Im going. With Bird Talk Magazine and a couple of dogs.
Good luck on your first night Krista. i hope you got a crate!!
Nite all
Oh, and Nick, thanks so much for that NY Times piece above. I need to send that out , or post it or something….it is so good! I would have missed it.
Hey Shemanski. Here is what I was talking about.
Book Review
Review by Morris Halle
Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years, Foreword by Gore Vidal, By Israel Shihak; Pluto Press, London, England and Boulder, Colorado.
The author of this book, Israel Shahak, a retired professor of chemistry at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, was born in Warsaw in 1933 and was one of the tiny minority of Polish Jews who survived the war in a concentration camp. He came to Palestine in 1945, was educated there, served in the Israeli military, and since the 1960s has been a leading advocate of human rights in the state of Israel.
An important part of Shahak’s book is his expose of and an attack on the views on non-Jews held by the main proponents of Judaism, especially in its traditional orthodox form. It will come as a surprise to many readers that the attitude of traditional orthodox Judaism towards non-Jews is one of unrelenting and offensive hostility. The offensiveness is overtly manifest in the standard Yiddish terms for gentile boy/girl sheygets/shikse, which, as Shahak points out, are derivatives of the Hebrew meaning for “abominate.” Persons not versed in contemporary Jewish culture and religion will no doubt regard this as a quaint linguistic survival of a time and an ideology long dead, as, for example, the phrase “I am your obedient servant, Sir,” still found even today at the end of letters to editors of British journals. Were not the Jews too often on the receiving end of this type of xenophobia and racism to indulge in it themselves? Unfortunately the answer to this almost rhetorical question must be “no.” The evidence marshaled in Shahak’s book clearly shows that the Yiddish words accurately reflect the hostile attitude towards non-Jews that has pervaded orthodox Judaism through its entire history from the Talmud down to the official opinions of orthodox rabbis written just before Shahak’s book.
It must be noted that the attitudes documented in Shahak’s book are not representative of many. Perhaps even a majority of Jews would reject such attitudes and would assert that they had never–or only rarely–been exposed to this type of xenophobia. Since there is no reason to doubt such assertions we must ask why most of us have been so ignorant of this important matter (and because of our ignorance have failed to confront it). According to Shahak, our ignorance is due to the efforts of a small, but influential, group to prevent the facts from being known.
Shahak provides extensive documentation from the writings of individuals with such impeccable political and scholarly credentials as Martin Buber and Gerschom Scholem, as well as of a host of lesser writers, where offensive passages in rabbinical texts were omitted in translations into English,where euphemisms were used to disguise the plain (and offensive) meaning of the text, or where writers knowingly offered false or misleading interpretations of such passages. According to Shahak these intellectuals “lie out of patriotism because they believe that it is their duty to lie for what they conceive to be Jewish interest.” They are abetted in this by non-Jews who “hold the curious opinion that one way to `atone’ for the persecution of Jews is not to speak out against the evil perpetrated by Jews but to participate in `white lies’ about them.”
The views that Shahak exposes are those of classical rabbinical Judaism, which almost completely dominated Jewish life from the beginning of the Middle Ages until well into the 18th and 19th centuries. Although to-day rabbinical Judaism no longer dominates Jewish life to the extent it once did, it still wields great influence which, like that of fundamentalism elsewhere, is growing at an alarming pace. I cite a few of Shahak’s examples.
The Talmud instructs Jews “to burn, publicly if possible, any copy of the New Testament that comes into their hands.” We learn from Shahak that “this is not only still in force but actually practiced today; thus on March 23, 1980 hundreds of copies of the New Testament were publicly and ceremonially burned in Jerusalem under the auspices of Yad Le’akhim, a Jewish religious organization subsidized by the Israeli Ministry of Religions.”
Maimonides, the greatest medieval Jewish authority on matters of religion, teaches in his Book of Knowledge that it is a duty to exterminate “with one’s own hands” Jewish infidels “such as Jesus of Nazareth and his pupils, and Tzadoq and Baitos [the founders of a Jewish sect active in the second century BC] and their pupils, may the name of the wicked rot.”
In his Guide to the Perplexed “justly considered to be the greatest work of Jewish religious philosophy,” Maimonides explains that “some of the Turks…and the Blacks (kushim = Africans) and the nomads in the South” are incapable of attaining the true worship of God because “their nature is like the nature of mute animals, and, according to my opinion, they are not on the level of human beings…”
The same racist attitude is found in the Tanya, an important late 18th century text composed by Shneur Zalman, founder of the Lubavitcher hassidism. Shahak writes: “According to this book, all non-Jews are totally satanic creatures `in whom there is absolutely nothing good.’ Even a non-Jewish embryo is qualitatively different from a Jewish one. The very existence of a non-Jew is `inessential’, whereas all of creation was created solely for the sake of the Jews.” These views have not been repudiated by modern Lubavitchers, who are quite visible on university campuses, both in the United States and in Israel.
Shahak quotes the correspondence between an Israeli soldier and his rabbi that was published in the 1974 yearbook of an Israeli religious college where many leaders of the National Religious Party and of the Gush Emunim have been educated. The soldier asks for advice about the treatment of unarmed civilians, specifically Arab women and children. Since the letters are long I quote here only the conclusions that the soldier draws from his rabbi’s advice; a blatant incitement to murder.
“As for the letter itself, I have understood as follows: In wartime I am not merely permitted, but enjoined to kill every Arab man and woman whom I chance upon, if there is reason to fear that they help in the war against us, directly or indirectly. And as far as I am concerned I have to kill them even if that might result in an involvement with military law. I think that this matter of purity of weapons should be transmitted to educational institutions, at least the religious ones, so that they should have a position about this subject and so that they will not wander in the broad fields of `logic,’ especially on this subject; and the rule has to be explained as it should be followed in practice. For, I am sorry to say, I have seen different types of `logic’ here even among religious comrades. I do hope that you shall be active in this, so that our boys will know the line of their ancestors clearly and unambiguously.”
Dr. Baruch Goldstein, the orthodox Jew responsible for the recent massacre in Hebron, did not appear out of a void. His action was a consequence of the same rabbinical incitement to murder as that reflected in the letter quoted above, and the incitements in turn are a logical outgrowth of the general xenophobia and racism of classical rabbinical Judaism that Shahak’s book exposes.
Shahak finds the main explanation for this state of affairs in the history of the Jews. According to Shahak during the period of classical rabbinical Judaism–i.e., from the Middle Ages until the end of the 18th century–the Jews constituted an outcast of feudal society. They were outside of the society to which the majority belong, yet in Christian Europe and in the Moslem countries of the Near and Middle East, the Jews maintained close ties to the ruling feudal elites, at whose bidding they performed all manner of tasks, including tax collection, estate management, money lending, production and sale of intoxicants, and engaged in trades such as tailoring, shoe making, etc. Although many of these activities provided a large fraction of the incomes of the elites, they were regarded as improper for the elites to engage in directly. Shahak also points out that during the period of classical Judaism, the overwhelming majority of the world’s population were peasants working the land, yet there were no Jewish peasants. Rather, as noted above, Jews made up a large fraction of the classes whose economic role it was to extract from the peasants the maximum of goods, money, and work possible.
It is these two facts that, according to Shahak, explain the unrelenting and offensive hostility towards gentiles on the part of classical Judaism documented above. They also explain many characteristics of the anti-Jewish pogroms that are such a common feature of Jewish history. According to Shahak, these were “part of a peasant rebellion or other popular movements at times when the government was for some reason especially weak,” for the ruling elites usually defended the Jews. This defense was conducted “neither out of considerations of humanity, nor because of sympathy to the Jews, but for the type of reason used generally by rulers in justification of their interests–the fact that the Jews were useful and profitable to them, defense of `law and order,’ hatred of the lower classes and fear that anti-Jewish riots might develop into general popular rebellion.”
It is one of the failures of Jewish historiography not to have educated Jews as to the true character of these pogroms.
“… revolts of oppressed peasants against their masters and their masters’ bailiffs are common in human historyDo decent English historians, even when noting the massacres of Englishmen by rebellious Irish peasants rising against their enslavement, condemn the latter as ‘anti-English’ racists? What is the attitude of progressive French historians towards the great slave revolution in Santo Domingo, where many French women and children were butchered? To ask the question is to answer it. But to ask a similar question of many `progressive’ or even `socialist’ Jewish circles is to receive a very different answer: here an enslaved peasant is transformed into a racist monster, if Jews profited from his state of slavery and exploitation.”
And this indiscriminate and ahistorical lumping together of peasant uprisings with the Nazi attempt to destroy the Jews is used now to justify the oppression of the Palestinian Arabs. It also constitutes an immense obstacle to arriving at any rational accommodation with the Arabs among whom the Jews of the state of Israel will always have to exist. “For insane as it sounds…one of the most deep-seated ideological sources of the Zionist [sic] establishment’s persistent hostility towards the Palestinians is the fact that they are identified in the minds of many east-European Jews with the rebellious east-European peasants who participated in the [1648] Chmielnicki uprising and in similar revolts–and the latter are in turn identified ahistorically with modern anti-Semitism and Nazism.”
While Shahak’s main point is no doubt correct, he seems to me to underestimate the depth and breadth of Judeophobia in Christian Europe and its role in laying the groundwork for the Holocaust. The xenophobia for which Shahak rightly denounces rabbinical Judaism is–I fear–a failing to which all humans are subject more or less equally, and against which women and men of good will must be constantly on guard.
Many will no doubt dismiss Shahak’s book as yet another anti-Zionist tract. Others might fear that the facts presented in Shahak’s book gives aid and comfort to Judeophobes the world over. There is no escaping the fact that questionable or criminal acts by Jews will be used by Jew-haters to gain support for their cause. They will use facts where they can find them and falsehoods when facts are lacking. We cannot afford to hide our history because of what our enemies might make of it. This surely has been the attitude of the greatest writers in Jewish history, from the prophets Amos and Jeremiah down to the major figures in the secular literature in Yiddish and Hebrew of the 19th and 20th centuries, which, as Shahak points out, was extremely critical of rabbinical Judaism.
These critical voices were stilled or greatly muted in the aftermath of the Holocaust, and the tragic events were seen by many Jews as vindicating the segregationist stance of orthodox Judaism. As a consequence we have been witnessing the rise of an aggressive form of religious fanaticism among Jews, in Israel as well as elsewhere, especially in the United States. To curb its further development it is necessary to lay bare the ideological sources that nourish this fanaticism. Not surprisingly they are an integral part of classical rabbinical Judaism, the religion of the Jewish middle ages. The xenophobia promoted by orthodox Judaism not only fosters acts such as those of Dr. Baruch Goldstein, it also serves to cloud the vision of both leaders and ordinary citizens. These medieval ways of thinking and acting constitute a clear danger and must be resolutely criticized and actively opposed.
Professor Shahak makes an eloquent appeal for such criticism and opposition: “The maxim that those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it applies to those Jews who refuse to come to terms with the Jewish past… The state of Israel now fulfills towards the oppressed peasants of many countries–not only in the Middle East but also far beyond it–a role not unlike that of the Jews in pre-1795 Poland: that of a bailiff to the imperial oppressor. It is characteristic and instructive that Israel’s major role in arming the forces of the Somoza regime in Nicaragua, and those of Guatemala, El Salvador, Chile, and the rest has not given rise to any wide public debate in Israel or among organized Jewish communities in the Diaspora. Even the narrower question of expediency–whether the selling of weapons to a dictatorial butcher of freedom fighters and peasants is in the long term interest of Jews–is seldom asked.”
“The only possible answer to all this, first of all by Jews, must be…[to] confront the Jewish past and those aspects of the present which are based simultaneously on lying about the past and worshipping it… Without fear or favor, we must speak out against what belongs to our own past…”
“The most important part of such a critique must be detailed and honest confrontation of the Jewish attitude to non-Jews. This is what many Jews justly demand from non-Jews: to confront their own past and so become aware of the discrimination and persecutions inflected on the Jews… Although the struggles against anti-Semitism (and all other forms of racism) should never cease, the struggle against Jewish chauvinism and exclusivism…is now of equal or greater importance.”
The issues that this book raises go to the heart of what it means to be a Jew in our times, and their resolution will determine the course of Jewish history for generations. It is my hope that enough people will read this important book to make it impossible for it to be ignored, and that as a result the issues that the book raises will be debated in public, so that they may be dealt with openly and rationally.
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